{"id":663,"date":"2009-10-28T07:25:34","date_gmt":"2009-10-28T11:25:34","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.dr-chuck.com\/wordpress\/?p=663"},"modified":"2012-07-16T10:04:10","modified_gmt":"2012-07-16T14:04:10","slug":"discussion-of-cc-by-sa-and-cc-by-with-joseph-hardin","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.dr-chuck.com\/csev-blog\/2009\/10\/discussion-of-cc-by-sa-and-cc-by-with-joseph-hardin\/","title":{"rendered":"Discussion of CC-BY-SA and CC-BY With Joseph Hardin"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Joseph asked me whether I would put a CC-BY-SA (Share Alike) copyright on the front of my slide set if my general personal intent was the less restrictive CC-BY for the material if there was one artifact within the slide deck that was CC-BY-SA.   Or should I put CC-BY-SA on the whole work just because it includes one item that was CC-BY-SA.  Another way to ask this is whether I would be infected by the &#8220;viral&#8221; nature of CC-BY-SA.  Here is my answer.<\/p>\n<p>This is a good question.  This is what I *want* to be true.<\/p>\n<p>When I put a CC-BY at the front &#8211; that covers my original material and my &#8220;organization\/structure&#8221; of the material.<\/p>\n<p>Some material may have a different copyright inside &#8211; CC-BY-SA or even some more restrictive license.   I should note the owner of those materials and the copyright of those materials (i.e. this picture of a puppy is Copyright CC-BY-SA Joseph Hardin).<\/p>\n<p>In essence, when *I* place a copyright on the front &#8211; it is the copyright of my stuff &#8211; and not the transitive closure of my own copyright clearance efforts &#8211; in a sense, when I cay CC-BY at the front &#8211; it is &#8220;caveat emptor&#8221; &#8211; I am not indemnifying future users that I have made no mistakes w.r.t. transitive closure of included elements.<\/p>\n<p>In a sense &#8211; for me there is always an implied statement like &#8220;Some stuff in here may be copyright the original owners&#8221; or something to that effect.<\/p>\n<p>On the other hand when you OER folks carefully do all the clearance you can make a stronger statement.  &#8220;This work is CC-BY and any included materials has been verified as compatible with CC-BY.&#8221;  I am sure UM will never indemnify anyone in case the clearance made a mistake &#8211; but at least the statement reflects intent and effort and has a decent chance of being accurate.  A user can feel more secure with such a statement.<\/p>\n<p>I strongly object to putting CC-BY-SA on the front just because there is one CC-BY-SA artifact inside.  I simply will not do it.  But of course I am an irresponsible faculty member reprobate &#8211; and you are professional OER folk &#8211; so it is reasonable that rules might apply to OER that don&#8217;t apply to me.<\/p>\n<p>I have taken to including the following copyright statement in all my slides:<\/p>\n<p>Unless otherwise noted, the content of this course material is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License.<\/p>\n<p>http:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by\/3.0\/.<\/p>\n<p>Copyright 2009, Charles Severance, Jim Eng<\/p>\n<p>I removed all the other gobbledygook that the OER folks put in.  This simple text feels more accurate and easily interpreted to me.  I am perfectly happy to see the more complex copyright on the front when my slides come back out of OER processes.  But frankly I am less inclined to reuse the slides that come back from OER if I have to keep the ugly copyright.  So I have taken to reviewing the post-OER slides and pulling the changes I like into my slide set instead of just using the OER slide set &#8211; yes I know that is not how you want things to work &#8211; but I don&#8217;t like gobbledygook legalese about medical images in my slide decks.<\/p>\n<p>And again *my* purpose of this copyright slide is (I think) different than Open.Michigan&#8217;s purpose.  This slide is my handoff to Open.Michigan and my handoff to other faculty who might directly reuse\/remix &#8211; I want to make clear to folks who take my materials directly that they have my blessing &#8211; as much blessing as I can legally give &#8211; essentially a quit claim to my (or our in the case of joint authors) materials.<\/p>\n<p>When Jim and I flip-flop teaching a course like SI539 and he adapts one of my slide sets &#8211; he adds his name to the author page &#8211; since he also agrees to CC-BY.  Then in a later semester I take his revised set and then further revise the slide set, both names stay in the copyright page of that slide set forever.<\/p>\n<p>If I think about this generally, it makes no sense to me as an original author to do anything other than what I describe above.  When I teach, I am not about to waste time &#8220;clearing material&#8221; &#8211; some might be fair use &#8211; some might be CC-BY-SA and some I might even get in trouble for using.  So making my copyright statement be the transitive closure of the included materials is simply silly &#8211; and frankly since interpretation of those internal artifacts may depend on where geographically my material is reused and in what context (teaching a course or a public web site) &#8211; there is little point in me trying to transitively clear everything for future users.<\/p>\n<p>There is a gentle motivation to find artifacts with CC-BY (or better) to use in my slides and I spend a bit of time to keep slides CC-BY.  As an example, I use lower-quality clip art from <a href=\"http:\/\/www.clker.com\/search\/networksym\/1\" target=\"_new\"> Clipart: http:\/\/www.clker.com\/search\/networksym\/1<\/a> because it is copyright free.  Also I look to Wikipedia for pictures or perhaps do a CC-BY search on Flickr for something like a &#8220;Clown Car&#8221; which is just for fun distraction on a slide.  But my patience is really pretty short on this &#8211; and I won&#8217;t compromise much on the User Experience of my slides in the name of copyright &#8211; and at some point I just finish the slide and move on.<\/p>\n<p>I have learned tricks from the Open.Michigan folks on how and where to find safe stuff &#8211; it might be a good plan to collect these sources of CC-BY safe materials and share them amongst us all.<br \/>\nMy worst behavior &#8211; that I need to fix &#8211; is not *obsessively* recording references for things like screen shots.  I do pretty good most of the time &#8211; you and the Open.Michigan folk have trained me pretty well &#8211; but then I get in a hurry  when I just have a few minutes before class&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Joseph asked me whether I would put a CC-BY-SA (Share Alike) copyright on the front of my slide set if my general personal intent was the less restrictive CC-BY for the material if there was one artifact within the slide deck that was CC-BY-SA. 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